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Cool Casts for Entrepreneurs – Lead & Follow

No matter if you're leading the show or assisting in the background, you need to step up to the plate and meet your team where they are.

Whether you’re a solopreneur or run a team of 20, you’ll need to know how to work effectively with others. Even if you don’t manage employees, you’ll need to connect with contractors, fellow entrepreneurs and members of your community. If you want to be an efficient leader and follower, make sure to understand the skills of collaboration, teamwork and ethically sharing power. Sharna Fabiano, author, coach and creator of the podcast “Lead & Follow,” regularly dives into these topics and provides professional insights on how to be a better collaborator.

What is the podcast about?

Lead & Follow offers a personal and provocative discussion of collaboration, teamwork and power. Host Sharna Fabiano talks with artists, academics, engineers, educators, administrators and everyday working people to explore the subtle yet critical relational dynamic between leadership and followership.

Why should people listen to it? Who is the podcast for?

This podcast is for organizational consultants, professional development specialists and leadership educators interested in a human-centered approach to teamwork. It encourages creative collaboration, authentic communication and the ethical sharing of power.

Featured episode: Relational Trust – Tom Klaus

Reflecting on his long career working with non-profits, Dr. Tom Klaus shares the important difference between “buy-in” and true ownership. Furthermore, he covers how content experts and context experts must lead and follow one another and what seventh-graders taught him about relational trust. We explore his approach to collective change leadership. We then examine why leaders must occasionally (or often) step deliberately into the follower role.

“The paradigm shift is from buy-in to ownership, which invites people to participate and have a voice and a say in how the change affects them.”

“The degree to which you establish a relationship based on integrity and honesty is the degree to which you will grow trust.”

“It cannot be one-way. I cannot just, as a leader, be trusting followers. Followers need to be trusting me as well.”

“You only build trust and respect through a very conscious and intentional decision to act with integrity toward [another] person. And to let integrity really be the bell weather of your relationship.”


Sharna Fabiano, an internationally recognized tango artist, has taught thousands of people to dance in over a dozen countries. Now a certified coach, Fabiano translates principles of leadership and followership. From social dance to professional development programs that help individuals and teams collaborate successfully. She has an MFA in Dance from the University of California, Los Angeles.

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